Hi All, I have been asked to set up our leave accuals as liabilities. Reading the following link: https://help.myob.com/wiki/display/ar/Tracking+leave+accruals+as+liabilities#expand-2Linkyou...
As has been indicated, overriding that wage expense account on the linked wage categories is recommended as it will reduce the balance of that liability account when that leave is paid out. As this does reflect what is happened in real life i.e. paying that leave out as reduced the liability of the business.
A real-world example would be to say my leave liability sits at $200. My employee is being paid $20 an hour for 8 hours of annual leave ($160). If I pay that out to the leave, my liability is reduced 160. When you have that override option set up it will automatically reduce that liability to be $40 after the pay. If it wasn't set up it would remain at $200 even though I have paid it out.
Now, in theory, you don't have to override that expense account and rely solely on journal entries to manage the leave liability. However, it's not the best practice as it doesn't accurately reflect that leave liability in real-time as you could have paid it out but not updated the leave liability account.
You also mentioned annual leave and long service leave is one amount. There is nothing stopping the user from setting it up like this or with multiple setups one for each leave type. It's solely how you wish to capture that information and report on it.
As has been indicated, overriding that wage expense account on the linked wage categories is recommended as it will reduce the balance of that liability account when that leave is paid out. As this does reflect what is happened in real life i.e. paying that leave out as reduced the liability of the business.
A real-world example would be to say my leave liability sits at $200. My employee is being paid $20 an hour for 8 hours of annual leave ($160). If I pay that out to the leave, my liability is reduced 160. When you have that override option set up it will automatically reduce that liability to be $40 after the pay. If it wasn't set up it would remain at $200 even though I have paid it out.
Now, in theory, you don't have to override that expense account and rely solely on journal entries to manage the leave liability. However, it's not the best practice as it doesn't accurately reflect that leave liability in real-time as you could have paid it out but not updated the leave liability account.
You also mentioned annual leave and long service leave is one amount. There is nothing stopping the user from setting it up like this or with multiple setups one for each leave type. It's solely how you wish to capture that information and report on it.
Now, in theory, you don't have to override that expense account and rely solely on journal entries to manage the leave liability. However, it's not the best practice as it doesn't accurately reflect that leave liability in real-time as you could have paid it out but not updated the leave liability account.
I agree that overriding the expense account (and debiting instead the liability account) reflects the liability in real-time. But I think we are missing one more step to be done at EOY journals: that is to debit the expense account and credit the liability account with the total paid leave during the year . I have explained this on detail on my other comment, but please correct me if I am wrong. But if Im right, I think the MYOB procedure should be revised
I cant find my previous post, so here it is again. There are 2 scenarios where the 2nd scenario is I journaled on EOY the paid LSL to debit the expense account and credit the liability account
(I work at school, so EOY is December. LSL accrual is 10weeks after 8years)
The 2nd scenario gives accurate expense and liability accounts.
If you don't override that employee expense account on the linked wage category to be the liability account then a journal entry would be required to manually create the journals when the employee takes leave. This journal entry can be completed when the leave is taken or when completed at another time such as the end of the month or end of the payroll year. Typically, this journal entry would be crediting the expense account (reducing it) and debiting the liability account (reducing it).
Im sorry i really need help again on this one Steven M
Now on my second month when i run the entitlement balance and then do the journal entry for the change in figures my liability account balance is showing a lower amount than the expense account.
Yet the expense account reconciles with the leave entitlements balance, amount for the end of the month and the liability account is a lower amount???
When setting up provisions of leave as per Help Article: Tracking leave accruals as liabilities, the liability account would be designed to show the total outstanding leave available i.e. the value that would be appearing on the Entitlement Balance reports.
Using this process, when a user comes to re-valuating those leave liability, the user does need to determine the amount used at the last re-valuation and work out the difference from that to the current period. That difference would be what is recorded for the journal entry. This difference is the amount that leave has increased by (decreased by if a negative) and would need to look at recording a journal to account for that. With increases it a debit to the expense account (expense is increasing) and a credit to the liability account (liability is increasing).
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Leave Accruals as Liabilities","id":"message:690864","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":10,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:20235"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Staffing_and_Payroll"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:690864"},"readOnly":true,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:690864"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":" Hi All, I have been asked to set up our leave accuals as liabilities. Reading the following link: https://help.myob.com/wiki/display/ar/Tracking+leave+accruals+as+liabilities#expand-2Linkyou...","body@stringLength":"1944","rawBody":"
Hi All,
I have been asked to set up our leave accuals as liabilities.
Is it necessary to change the following in red ????
Go to the Payroll command centre and click Payroll Categories.
In the Wages tab, click the zoom arrow beside the Holiday Pay wage category. The Wages Information window appears.
If you report payroll information to the ATO through Single Touch Payroll, select the applicable ATO Reporting Category. Typically this will be the same ATO Reporting Category you've selected for your Base Hourly or Base Salary wage categories. Learn more about assigning ATO reporting categories for Single Touch Payroll reporting.
Select the Override Employees' Wage Expense Account option.
Click the drop-down arrow beside the Override Account field and select the appropriate account. If you choose a liability account, a warning will appear advising that the linked account should be an expense account. Disregard the warning. See our example below.
Rather can I just leave it in the wage expense account.
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Now, in theory, you don't have to override that expense account and rely solely on journal entries to manage the leave liability. However, it's not the best practice as it doesn't accurately reflect that leave liability in real-time as you could have paid it out but not updated the leave liability account.
I agree that overriding the expense account (and debiting instead the liability account) reflects the liability in real-time. But I think we are missing one more step to be done at EOY journals: that is to debit the expense account and credit the liability account with the total paid leave during the year . I have explained this on detail on my other comment, but please correct me if I am wrong. But if Im right, I think the MYOB procedure should be revised
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wrote:
Now, in theory, you don't have to override that expense account and rely solely on journal entries to manage the leave liability. However, it's not the best practice as it doesn't accurately reflect that leave liability in real-time as you could have paid it out but not updated the leave liability account.
I agree that overriding the expense account (and debiting instead the liability account) reflects the liability in real-time. But I think we are missing one more step to be done at EOY journals: that is to debit the expense account and credit the liability account with the total paid leave during the year . I have explained this on detail on my other comment, but please correct me if I am wrong. But if Im right, I think the MYOB procedure should be revised
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As has been indicated, overriding that wage expense account on the linked wage categories is recommended as it will reduce the balance of that liability account when that leave is paid out. As this does reflect what is happened in real life i.e. paying that leave out as reduced the liability of the business.
A real-world example would be to say my leave liability sits at $200. My employee is being paid $20 an hour for 8 hours of annual leave ($160). If I pay that out to the leave, my liability is reduced 160. When you have that override option set up it will automatically reduce that liability to be $40 after the pay. If it wasn't set up it would remain at $200 even though I have paid it out.
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Now, in theory, you don't have to override that expense account and rely solely on journal entries to manage the leave liability. However, it's not the best practice as it doesn't accurately reflect that leave liability in real-time as you could have paid it out but not updated the leave liability account.
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You also mentioned annual leave and long service leave is one amount. There is nothing stopping the user from setting it up like this or with multiple setups one for each leave type. It's solely how you wish to capture that information and report on it.
As has been indicated, overriding that wage expense account on the linked wage categories is recommended as it will reduce the balance of that liability account when that leave is paid out. As this does reflect what is happened in real life i.e. paying that leave out as reduced the liability of the business.
A real-world example would be to say my leave liability sits at $200. My employee is being paid $20 an hour for 8 hours of annual leave ($160). If I pay that out to the leave, my liability is reduced 160. When you have that override option set up it will automatically reduce that liability to be $40 after the pay. If it wasn't set up it would remain at $200 even though I have paid it out.
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Now, in theory, you don't have to override that expense account and rely solely on journal entries to manage the leave liability. However, it's not the best practice as it doesn't accurately reflect that leave liability in real-time as you could have paid it out but not updated the leave liability account.
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You also mentioned annual leave and long service leave is one amount. There is nothing stopping the user from setting it up like this or with multiple setups one for each leave type. It's solely how you wish to capture that information and report on it.
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I cant find my previous post, so here it is again. There are 2 scenarios where the 2nd scenario is I journaled on EOY the paid LSL to debit the expense account and credit the liability account
(I work at school, so EOY is December. LSL accrual is 10weeks after 8years)
The 2nd scenario gives accurate expense and liability accounts.
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If you don't override that employee expense account on the linked wage category to be the liability account then a journal entry would be required to manually create the journals when the employee takes leave. This journal entry can be completed when the leave is taken or when completed at another time such as the end of the month or end of the payroll year. Typically, this journal entry would be crediting the expense account (reducing it) and debiting the liability account (reducing it).
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Im sorry i really need help again on this one Steven M
Now on my second month when i run the entitlement balance and then do the journal entry for the change in figures my liability account balance is showing a lower amount than the expense account.
Yet the expense account reconciles with the leave entitlements balance, amount for the end of the month and the liability account is a lower amount???
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When setting up provisions of leave as per Help Article: Tracking leave accruals as liabilities, the liability account would be designed to show the total outstanding leave available i.e. the value that would be appearing on the Entitlement Balance reports.
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Using this process, when a user comes to re-valuating those leave liability, the user does need to determine the amount used at the last re-valuation and work out the difference from that to the current period. That difference would be what is recorded for the journal entry. This difference is the amount that leave has increased by (decreased by if a negative) and would need to look at recording a journal to account for that. With increases it a debit to the expense account (expense is increasing) and a credit to the liability account (liability is increasing).
